Behind the Arab revolt lurks a word we dare not speak
Published 24 February 2011
The people of Egypt, Tunisia, Bahrain, Algeria, Yemen, Jordan and Libya are rising up not only against their leaders, but also western economic tyranny.
Shortly after the invasion of Iraq in 2003, I interviewed Ray McGovern, one of an elite group of CIA officers who prepared the president's daily intelligence brief. McGovern was at the apex of the "national security" monolith that is American power and had retired with presidential plaudits. On the eve of the invasion, he and 45 other former senior officers of the CIA and other US intelligence agencies wrote to President George W Bush that the "drumbeat for war" was based not on intelligence, but lies.
“It was 95 per cent charade," McGovern told me.
“How did they get away with it?"
“The press allowed the crazies to get away with it."
“Who are the crazies?"
“The people running the administration have a set of beliefs a lot like those expressed in Mein Kampf . . . these are the same people who were referred to in the circles in which I moved, at the top, as 'the crazies'."
I said, "Norman Mailer has written that he believes America has entered a pre-fascist state. What's your view of that?"
“Well . . . I hope he's right, because there are others saying we are already in a fascist mode."
First blows
On 22 January, McGovern emailed me to express his disgust at the Obama administration's treatment of the alleged whistleblower Bradley Manning and its pursuit of Julian Assange. "Way back when George and Tony decided it might be fun to attack Iraq," he wrote, "I said something to the effect that fascism had already begun here. I have to admit I did not think it would get this bad this quickly."
On 15 February, the US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, gave a speech at George Washington University in which she condemned governments that arrest protesters and crush free expression. She lauded the liberating power of the internet but failed to mention that her government was planning to close down those parts of the internet that encourage dissent and truth-telling. It was a speech of spectacular hypocrisy. McGovern was in the audience. Outraged, he rose from his chair and silently turned his back on Clinton. He was immediately seized by police and a security goon, beaten to the floor, dragged out and thrown into jail, bleeding. He has sent me photographs of his injuries. He is 71. During the assault, which was clearly visible to Clinton, she did not pause in making her remarks.
Fascism is a difficult word, because it comes with an iconography that touches the Nazi nerve and is abused as propaganda against America's official enemies and to promote the west's foreign adventures with a moral vocabulary written in the struggle against Hitler. And yet fascism and imperialism are twins. In the aftermath of the Second World War, those in the imperial states who had made respectable the racial and cultural superiority of "western civilisation" found that Hitler and fascism had claimed the same, employing strikingly similar methods. Thereafter, the very notion of American imperialism was swept from the textbooks and popular culture of an imperial nation forged on the genocidal conquest of its native people. And a war on social justice and democracy became "US foreign policy".
As the Washington historian William Blum has documented, since 1945, the US has destroyed or subverted more than 50 governments, many of them democracies, and used mass murderers such as Suharto, Mobutu and Pinochet to dominate by proxy. In the Middle East, America has sustained every dictatorship and pseudo-monarchy. In "Operation Cyclone", the CIA and MI6 secretly fostered and bankrolled Islamic extremism. The object was to smash or deter nationalism and democracy. Most of the victims of this western state terrorism have been Muslims. The people gunned down this past week in Bahrain and Libya - the latter a "priority market" for the UK, according to Britain's official arms "procurers" - join those children blown to bits in Gaza by the latest US F-16 aircraft.
The revolt in the Arab world is against not merely a resident dictator, but a worldwide economic tyranny, designed by the US Treasury and imposed by the US Agency for International Development, the IMF and the World Bank, which have ensured that rich countries such as Egypt are reduced to vast sweatshops, with 40 per cent of the population earning less than $2 a day. The people's triumph in Cairo was the first blow against what Benito Mussolini called corporatism, a word that appears in his definition of fascism.
Enemy with a name
How did such extremism take hold in the liberal west? "It is necessary to destroy hope, idealism, solidarity and concern for the poor and oppressed," observed Noam Chomsky a generation ago, "[and] to replace these dangerous feelings by self-centred egoism, a pervasive cynicism that holds that [an order of] inequities and oppression is the best that can be achieved. In fact, a great international propaganda campaign is under way to convince people . . . that this not only is what they should feel but that it is what they do feel . . ."
Like the European revolutions of 1848 and the uprising against Stalinism in 1989, the Arab revolt has rejected fear. An insurrection of suppressed ideas, hope and solidarity has begun.
In the US, where 45 per cent of young African Americans have no jobs and the top hedge-fund managers are paid $1bn a year on average, mass protests against cuts in services and jobs have spread to heartland states such as Wisconsin. In Britain, the fastest-growing modern protest movement, UK Uncut, is taking direct action against tax avoiders and rapacious high-street banks. Something has changed that cannot be unchanged. The enemy has a name now.
147 comments from readers
- acommentator
24 February 2011 at 11:12Sad to see the man who did so much for East Timor reduced this this sort of lunatic babbling.
- 1R4M
24 February 2011 at 11:20Thank You Mr Pilger
Spot on as always
- Steve
24 February 2011 at 12:53Great article, one of his best for a while, succinctly breaking it down.
Time to move on and allow the usual shills/co-intel-pro agents (Hans and the rest of you) to come and lambast and ridicule JP as usual. It's funny as I tend not to read the commentators I disagree with, rather than stalk their message boards filling them to bursting level with angry bitterness and vitriol. zzzzzzz
- philodoc
24 February 2011 at 12:56John Pilger, as always, articulates what many of us think, but are in no position to air our views so publicly. He is a master of the overview. Long may he continue.
As for the guy who thinks that JP is a lunatic babbler; let him provide coherent analysis of where JP is wrong. If he cannot then we can ignore him or feel sorry for him.
- Zole
24 February 2011 at 13:02Yep, I think we can expect Hasbara-Hans to make an appearance in the not too distant future.
As well as the standard abuse hurled at John Pilger, Hans will almost certainly attempt to smear other commentators as anti-semites. It's his raison d'etre.
I think his aim is to try and convince one or two waverers on the site - a bit like Trotskyite Entryist tactics.
- Andrew Pratley
24 February 2011 at 13:16Years ago as a student studying the making of foreign policy the first thing I was taught was that it was almost entirely based on self-interest. Morality did come into it. This model is and always has been too simplistic. Policy makers need to embrace an ethical dimension as the world we live in today now requires a different approach. No more Rwanda's please!
- Taxxbiex
24 February 2011 at 13:26Spot on Pilger. The whole global edifice is rotten aided and abetted 100% by the pseudo champions of democracy, equality and human rights.That's us. The West.
Obama, Clinton the reptilian ( maybe Icke is right?), Cameron, Merckel, Berlusconi, Sarcozy.. et al, et al...present and past: arms, oil, shareholder returns, power - the mantra of the oppressor.
Good for the Arab masses. May you have success.
Chinese and Indian masses are you looking? You can do it too!
- Olly Onions
24 February 2011 at 13:41I see from the box marked 'About the Writer' that John Pilger came 4th in a New Statesman survey of the 50 heroes of our time, behind Aung San Suu Kyi and Nelson Mandela. This seems to me to be far too low and I suspect a fascist imperialist plot exists to keep him out of the top three.
- Liz
24 February 2011 at 13:45Thank you. It's so disheartening that under the veneer of our democrasy lies total 'corporatism' .
- Daniele
24 February 2011 at 13:46I think it is becoming to dawn on the western leaders that dictatorships do not necessarily mean stability, that is stability to allow them to do what the hell they want in that country.The trouble with dictators is that they are often mad and can go off the rails.. See Gadafi but also Saddam Hussein, and then you are stuck with a revolution on your hands and it is mayhem.Unless you invade of course before it happens.. but then you can't invade every damn country..
I think this is the simplistic way these bastards think. There is NO morality in their strategies. It is all pure self interest, to boost their industries and their own prestige. Look at Cameron going around the ME at the moment, with no less than 8 arms dealers in tow! It is puke making. In Egypt he doesn't even know who is going to be in charge!! No matter, whoever it is, he is ready to sell them weapons!
In the same breath, these guys talk about Democracy!
it would be so understandable if the new governments which are going to emerge in the ME are totally anti-West. But I don't think they will be. The Western governments will find ways to corrupt them and get whatever they want out of them as they did from the dictators. It will make no difference to them.And if they don't play ball, the West will claim they pose some kind of danger to us and invade! Same as usual!
Of course it is better for the people of these countries if the West accepts that it is tolerable to have democracies in the ME, if the West realises that it might even be more stable and more advantageous to them to have functioning democracies there.
Like South America, I hope that they accept that it is inevitable. I certainly do not hope that they gain any moral decency. That would be deluding myself.
- Attrition47
24 February 2011 at 13:57"How did such extremism take hold in the liberal west?"
Liberal west? Fascism in a cardigan?? You're jesting surely???
Liberalism is hereditary privilege in fertile soil; it's bastard children, fascism and Stalinism are inequality in less salubrious surroundings.
- CriticalEye21
24 February 2011 at 14:07Many people, even within the United States, now agree that the US has become a semi-fascist state. We only need to look at the countless human rights violations the US has been committing recently (never mind the countless illegal activities of the CIA in South America in the past): from wars of aggression, torture, extraordinary rendition (kidnapping of foreign nationals from other sovereign territories to ship them off to be tortured in Egypt by Suleiman, for example, who was the CIA's torturer-in-chief and who Obama was pushing as the successor to Mubarak. For more on that story watch: http://bit.ly/feRb2o ), to state murder in Afghanistan and Pakistan (otherwise known as drone warfare) and a CIA operative shooting people down in the streets of Lahore and the Obama Administration claiming that he was a diplomat acting in self-defence, which turned out to be a complete lie (see: http://bit.ly/gMdn0w ), to the Patriot Act, which basically undermines the constitution of the United States ( http://bit.ly/ho1Qf9 ), the US has slowly but surely been going down the slippery slope to fascism. And if anyone dares to speak about this like Assange has done, they are hunted down mercilessly...
- CriticalEye21
24 February 2011 at 14:12Here's Chris Hedges, former New York Times correspondent and author of "American Fascists" speaking about his new book "The Death of the Liberal Class", which completely supports what John Pilger has been saying all these years: http://bit.ly/fEbQi6
- Arthur O'Connor
24 February 2011 at 15:03John has his finger on the pulse - current world events are bearing him out. The world is turning against the USA and for good reason. It is for their championing of genocide in Palestine and the backing of a terrorist state in Israel. We musn't let Julian Assange be extradited to Sweden - let him be the figure- head for a European revolution.
- ramesh1
24 February 2011 at 15:12Why there is revolt in Arab world.?In all Arab countries dictators are governing,most of them slave of western countries .All oil well are managing by white people.Most income of Arab countries looted by western countries and so called dictator of that countries. Common citizens are remain poor.This revolt against dictator and western countries.Gaddafi blaming to Laden.
- Hans Castorp
24 February 2011 at 15:13Ray McGovern is a racist mentalist. Standing up and facing the other way! What a self-aggrandising pillock.
As is John Pilger. A man so hated by the fascist West that they let him get paid handsomely for spreading his verkrappt Stalinist bunk in a national newspaper.
Even by his standards, this is a low excuse for a general rant at the Great Satan.
I mean, he's not even trying to engage with the world in this article, he just exchanges consoling brainless troofisms with another senile cynic.
The rest is tendentious and ashistorical nonsense.
- Hans Castorp
24 February 2011 at 15:14More racism from Arthur O'Connor.
- ivan
24 February 2011 at 15:37There is an important difference between rejecting dictators supported by the US, and the nonsensical idea that Pilger describes as rejecting "western economic tyranny".
Pinochet was a dictator supported by the west. He has been rejected, but it is the adoption of the same kind of economic policies you would find in W Europe that has made Chile the wealthiest and most democratic country in South America. That is something the US supports even more strongly.
When the US supports dictators, it does so generally because it thinks the available alternative is worse, not just for the US but for the locals too. You don't hvae to look at very many communist dictatorships to understand what it feared, even if it wasn't always correct that such was the alternative for those countries. I think that the US's foreign policies are unduly self-centred. But to think that the US has a general approach of keeping middle-easterners poor doesn't bear examination.
- Lloyd
24 February 2011 at 15:45Fantastic article. Well written and so so true. Brave JP. Thank god there are still journalist like you left in this sad corrupt so call free press aka media
- Paul
24 February 2011 at 16:28Great article. I don't call it fascism though, I call it neo-liberalism. Perhaps they are one and the same...
- Hans Castorp
24 February 2011 at 16:43Ivan - Agreed
RJD - you are painfully witless.
Lloyd - there is nothing "brave" about writing an opnion column in a national newspaper, in a country with a free press (he has no fear of jail, persecution or censure) to a slavish constituency ready and receptive to consume what amounts to standard verkrappt leftist slurry, who then dole out lavish praise for telling them what they want to hear.
That seems to me to be the opposite of brave writing.
Suggesting that Pilger is brave for telling you want you what to hear also carries the pathetic insinuation that you are likewise "brave" for simply reading it. Which you are not.
...another 100 shekels for me from the hasbara zionist conspiracy...
- liza
24 February 2011 at 16:47http://www.islamicsolutions.com/government-of-the-people-tha...
- suburbanmonk
24 February 2011 at 17:00Eisnhower and others warned of what could become of america and its coming true. America is a facist country and does that makes us 'Austria' i think so. Protests in america and we hear nothing on tv, also true of other european countries. The rise of the french National front and so on. We need our own revolution, if it happened here they whole world would stop and watch. Get to London on the 26th March and if not go to your own town centre. this not about money or politics or colour or culture this is now about mine and your freedom because if we dont act now who will protect us when they come to take us away? Last question do you think our police would use live rounds on us? i know they would.
- Tom.
24 February 2011 at 18:11Daniele, 24 February 2011 at 13:46 :
"Of course it is better for the people of these countries if the West accepts that it is tolerable to have democracies in the ME, if the West realises that it might even be more stable and more advantageous to them to have functioning democracies there."
Daniele, you're forgetting that there's already one long-established and fully-functioning democracy in the Middle East. And do you support it's existence? No, you don't.
- andyg
24 February 2011 at 18:34@ Hans Castorp.
Never does an article go by that you don't have your gutter low life feelings written. If you have such disgust then go away and read what you like.
When you have the recognition and platform from which JP writes then come back and I might take you serious. But I doubt it. Well done John on yet another superb piece of first class journalism.
Hans - Piss off you moron
- DAULAT RAM
24 February 2011 at 18:54Pilger is right, as always.
All Evil comes from the wicked West.
Only Islamic revolution is the answer.
Spot on!!!! Keep up the good work. Don't mind the evil Zionist-Hindu trolls.
- Jon_S
24 February 2011 at 20:08Look, fascism has some specific historical attributes, important among which is revolution: a young generation seeking to overthrow a political establishment it views as staid and corrupt; this is necessarily a mass phenomenon.
There is no such movement in the US. The United States government does demonstrate aspects of authoritarianism, but authoritarianism and fascism are *not* the same thing. Franco, for example, was not a fascist.
- Nixon is Lord
24 February 2011 at 20:38The protesters in Wisconsin are as white as cream cheese; no oppressed there, only people who want to remain in the middle classes and keep their benefits. Not idealistic, just understandable.
"Idealism" can mean anything; if your ideal is a world without gays or non-whites, you're as "idealistic" as someone who works to make sure all children get inoculated against measles. As with courage, idealism means different things.
And Chomsky's lifestyle is as white/upper middle class as the people he preaches against. Same as Pilger's no doubt.
The Arab world he's written about has had too many children to feed and provide jobs for; a nation that can't breed what it feeds is going to have serious problems no matter if North America sank beneath the waves. Basically the Arab world is Palermo with mosques and a few oil wells.
- Daniele
24 February 2011 at 20:43Tom:
Are you referring to that "democracy" who ordered the massacre of thousands of civilians trapped in a ghetto?
Some "democracy"!
- Paul
24 February 2011 at 20:58Thank you again John Pilger for putting this out in the press. Your voice is desperately needed.
- Paul
24 February 2011 at 21:00Andrew Pratley:
Well stated!
- cherie
24 February 2011 at 21:30I just thank god that JP is still going, because if he isnt there we do not have any one else around with the balls to print the truth do we? i really do admire the middle east for having the courage to fight and have their voices heard in the face of real guns and violence some have lost thier lives,aaand what do the weaklings british do about whats going on here??nowt just bloody nowt!!!! I admire the students for protesting the first in decades!!! for gods sake we are not weak poor people but we sure are acting like it!!!aand maybe we will become that way very soon!!!people power is every governmants nitemare aand a strong people media !!! ARE YOU THE JOURNALISTS LISTENING!!! MORE POWER TO OL JP THATs WHAT I SAY!!!the government have dumbed down education so the younger generation dont ask questions cos they dont know anything and dont forget they gta grow up and be the the discerning adults? lord the government will have a hey day ,this country is really becoming broken,we are not blairites we are not the yes yes country we are not the people who support governments who lie to to us at every twist and turn we do need to give each other support when adversity strikes or when they need to speak out !!! like the old days aye?when people were not so very afraid!!!!!!!
- Lox
24 February 2011 at 22:22Some of these comments are hilarious. Going through the most, em, challenged, in no particular order....
Steve at 12:53. Hearing views with which you don't agree breeds scepticism, which is one of the hallmarks of intelligence, wouldn't you say? Draw your own conclusions as to what your dislike of exposure to opposing views says about you.
AndyG at18:34. Clearly no one has the right to contradict a journalist as renowned as Pilger, from what you're saying: see my comments re scepticism above. And try to remember that JP isn't infallible, he's only human. Other people do have the right to question his polemic.
Paul at 16:28: your equation of fascism with neo-liberalism implies that you don't know the meaning of at least one of those ideologies.
Suburbanmonk, 17:00. What makes you think that someone is coming to take you away? Someone in a white coat, perhaps?
Attrition47 at 13:57-I didn't quite get that. Could you run it past us again?
Daniele, I agree with you. I think that the new governments in the ME are likely to be pro-western, since the people there have direct experience of the effects of undemocratic rule and big state corruption.
JP's article? A wee bit predictable, to say the least.
- Mr. Divine
24 February 2011 at 22:50'A pre-fascist state?'
Any ideas what that is?
'A set of beliefs a lot like those of Mein Kamp'
And the US are in league with Israel ( a Jewish state) in promoting these beliefs! Something is illogical here!
I wonder how much Pilger gets paid to write this? Does anyone know what's the going rate for a NS article.
His hourly rate must be huge but it's very brave of him to write such crap.
- Mr. Divine
24 February 2011 at 23:10In fact it is very brave of his followers to support the idea that Israel and the US are promoting ideas like those of Mein Kamp. Very brave indeed.
They all should receive bravery medals for openly supporting such ludicrous ideas.
- EhtchTee
25 February 2011 at 02:05Bush's Dad was made a fool of by Saddam Hussein in the First Gulf War, by not being able to get rid of him then. Or that is what we are told, between the lines.
Think that covers 90% towards the 95% drumbeat charade for the second one.
- BiLogical
25 February 2011 at 02:43Mokia: "the truth everyone knows, and no one speaks". A word not in the English language: from Papua New Guinea.
The Arab people who rebelled against their oppressive 'governments' did so because the the delicate balance between accepting lies, living in fear, and economic well being and social justice has become an intolerable and even humiliating collective burden.
They became fed up with their Western propped and corrupt 'leaders' holding them down, with oppression and fear in the service of a global "economic tyranny" that did not serve them. Meanwhile, in the west, certain elements embedded in the cultural and political fabric, was painting them daily, as religious zealots, the oppressors of women, the spawners of terrorism, "evil doers", the drowners of Jews, and enslavers of "Black Africans", the enemies of western civilization, technologically and culturally backward, and the list can go on and on. To the younger, more globally in touch, generation these misrepresentations and distortions were felt more acutely, and hence it was with them that the rebellion began. They were shamed by their elder's fear, and their 'governments' squandering of their countries resources and complicity in holding back progress, by maintaining the oppressive stasis demanded by their puppeteers.
John Pilger is right to say that "The revolt in the Arab world is against not merely a resident dictator, but a worldwide economic tyranny, designed by the US Treasury and imposed by the US Agency for International Development, the IMF and the World Bank.." But this is not a latent anti western revolt, and each Arab country has different reasons for it. The Arab who yearns for the return of the caliphat, and can't wait to besiege Vienna, is a creation of a minority of deluded islamic nuts and exaggerated by certain elements within western culture, for their own ends, who wish to portray Arabs, and muslims as an ever present threat: a large, and highly lucrative Global Fear.
East, West, North or South, we are all being played for suckers by the same money making 'machine', except for the Arabs who rebelled, it didn't pay anymore, while being portrayed as both the joke and the ever present threat to civilization, to look the other way. The same applies in the West, but here it pays to look the other way, and say 'oh well, so there wasn't WMDs after all' or 'yes plaese, I want an ever expanding intelligence apparatus noting down my every fart; its for my own protection.' Most of us by now know that we are being lied to, on an industrial scale, but we look the other way, because the lie pays the mortgage and keeps those pension funds running. We have become 'stake-holders' in the Big Lie. Morality has a price tag, not everyone can afford it these days.
- Abderrahman Ulfat
25 February 2011 at 04:06It is very sad that only a few decent soles like John Pilger, Amy Goodman, Ray McGovern, Noam Chomsky, etc., are raising their voices against a tide of injustice that is unprecedented in human history. It is unfortunate that Western nations show a continuous lapse into fascism and the explanation lies in their inner exclusivity whch makes a mockery of their claims about democracy and human rights.
- Coffee
25 February 2011 at 04:39> acommentator: Sad to see the man who did so much for
> East Timor reduced this this sort of lunatic babbling.
Your pretended sadness isn't convincing. It only serves as a pretext for a personal attack on the author of the article. I'm sure you wrote the same kind of slur when John Pilger published his reports from East Timor. Hypocrite.
- pessoa
25 February 2011 at 05:16Unless Mr Pilger was on the phone to the World Spirit while writing this article, and is thence privy to special knowledge, he has to clearly explain with reasons and evidence how these splendid, inspiring revolutions are objectively revolts against an American fascist world system. In the meantime, I will accept this as characteristic rhetoric, but with the caveat that plenty of socialists and internationalists cannot accept the interpretation of capital as presented. This is an issue for the NS, which if it wants to to continue a serious dialogue between centre and radical left, may need to go beyond celebrity journalism and find some more analytic, rather than hyperbolical, supporters of radical politics. Still, at least we can all agree on the end of Gaddafi.
- martybee
25 February 2011 at 10:38Sliding into becoming a Fascist state??????
see Kent state University.
- papigosh
25 February 2011 at 10:48ENJOY BEING THE MOST POWERFUL WHILE IT LAST
The west appear to support democracy ONLY WHEN IT SUIT HER INTEREST. The most powerful countries get away with the most blatant of crimes and their citizens appear to look the other way.
What happens when the most powerful country becomes one NOT FROM THE WEST?
JP keep up the good work.
- Tom.
25 February 2011 at 10:53Daniele - 24 February 2011 at 20:43 :
" Tom:
Are you referring to that "democracy" who ordered the massacre of thousands of civilians trapped in a ghetto?
Some "democracy"! "
Daniele, You'll have to provide me with a bit more detail than that I'm afraid. However, it's a bit daft for a Socialist to keep throwing body-counts at people who take issue with their ideologically over-loaded view of the world. Because, after all, how many people have been killed in pursuit of Socialism so far. Rather a lot, wouldn't you say? You lot are the absolute worst for murder in the modern era.
My point was simply that there is already a well-established democracy in the Middle East. And, as a democracy, it's actually far more accountable to it's electorate than most other democracies, particularly our own. But you can't afford to admit that, can you?
Tom.
- Mr. Divine
25 February 2011 at 11:59@Bilogical/ AbderrH:
Its very brave of you to support Pilger's idea that the US and Israel are supporting the beliefs of Mein Kamp.
Its amazing how brave you are putting yourself forward and saying that Pilger is spot with this analysis.
I mean Israel supporting the beliefs of Mein Kamp.
What next will you brave souls support and all in the name of absolute truth.
You're really showing your intellectual worth. Keep it up.
The First Seal.
- Mark H
25 February 2011 at 12:23Well done John. I guess you're on the run now, with forged identity papers, sleeping in a different bed every night, expecting at any time to hear the heavy knock of the secret police. Truly, the last free man in Europe.
- Hans Castorp
25 February 2011 at 13:55Mark H - ha! Well put.
A lot of the commenting here, apart from that of my fellow Zio-fascist imperialist neoliberal pig-dogs, is flat-out mental.
A detail: the factual content of Pilger's article is ZERO. It is simply a re-hash of the conventional pieties of a Stalinist view of the world that involves calling the UK and USA fascist states - cheapening the political lexicon in so doing - while apologising for genuine tyrannies: Pilger thinks Vietnam is A-OK, Pilger "felt safe" in Saddam's Iraq, Pilger thinks the genocide at Srebrenica "never happened", Pilger's troofism extend to saying the Bush administration "let 9/11 happen".
The sloppy sensationalism of Pilger's writing would make Jonah Goldberg blush.
Pilger is paid several hundred pounds a fortnight to email from his comfortable home to the NS a lazy screed aimed at the very society that gives him the guarantees (free press etc) to do what he does. If you cannot see shame or irony in that you are a cretin.
I say again - the idea that this Pilger's dissemination of dessicated cynicism from home is "brave" is pathetic.
There is a strand of the leftist hindbrain that wants to be dominated, that wants venerable fathers to lord over them and thell them how it is. Many of them congeal under Pilger's comments threads.
They deserve to be reminded of how contemptuous they are until they stop being contemptible.
And Jason Cowley needs to man up and ditch Pilger.
- Malcolm, Lonodn, UK
25 February 2011 at 15:26JP Brave as some commentator put it? Hardly, brave is facing down the tanks and rifles of tyrants with naught but your courage and a molotov cocktail, brave is rescuing wounded comrades whilst still under fire, the bloke jumoping into a swollen river to rescue someone now that's bravery. All JP has done is rehash some Far Left rubbish, long since past its sell by date (22 years give or take), into the usual dog whistle article for the 'Moon on a stick brigade'.
- Ewan P
25 February 2011 at 17:05Where is Lonodn exactly, Malcolm?
Is it anywhere near El Taviv?
- Mr. Divine
25 February 2011 at 17:50@Hans: Pilger is paid several hundred pounds a fortnight to email from his comfortable home
Can you be more precise? How much and where is his home?
- Axmed
25 February 2011 at 18:01GReat articles. Viva John.
- Qiran Muller
25 February 2011 at 18:08Great stuff John. We in S Africa salute you. As for your detractors...you're always gonna have goons out there! we know...ours is called Sajbod.
- Eburnant
25 February 2011 at 19:36Oh dear, another tirade from the Ayatollah of Bondi. How typical of the NS in its present incarnation to publish such a shallow and repetitive piece as this. It's almost on a par with Sholto Byrnes eulogy of Ghadaffi a couple of years ago. Given that Pilger and Byrnes belong to what is loosely called a profession that is widely viewed as made up of self-serving charlatans, could the NS not have commissioned a piece on this subject from a well-informed specialist who has no axes to grind and is not totally obsessed with what he takes to be his own moral rectitude? I have no doubt that Glenn Beck also thinks he is right about everything, but, in an age when so much journalism is totally predictable in its content, the NS should have been able to carve out a niche for itself that does not depend on recycling well-worn opinions that one could find without too much difficulty on any number of blogs. If ever the NS wants to get back to a paid circulation of 30,000+ , it needs to rethink exactly whom it is commissioning articles from. Pilger, frankly, is boring.
- Casey Moore
25 February 2011 at 23:44The empire is corrupt and the barbarians are at the gates. They tried to pay their masters off with gold and poisoned those who couldn't be bought. It staved off the inevitable for a respite of years. The masses want what the west has and that wealth has been forged on the backs of economic slaves. The money lenders and the taint of usury will all be swept away by the blind rage of the masses burning and pillaging. If only we had taught real history instead of vomiting up corporate propaganda. Rome and the west would not be burning again and we wouldn't have been thrust into a new dark age.
- weapon of mass distraction
25 February 2011 at 23:58An excellent, thought-provoking article Mister Pilger, as always.
There are so many comments one could make, but lately personally the thought that keeps popping up again and again is how disappointed I am with president Obama.
From his non reaction to the Gaza crisis, to the refusal to participate in the whole Israel settlement debacle, to his treatment of Assange and now what is happening in the Middle East.... it pains me to say this, but Obama is just 'another American'. I have come to the conclusion that regardless of political persuasion, Americans will always look after their own interest first; of course it was always thus, but with Obama, naively, I thought things would change. They haven't. They won't.
And I feel a fool for thinking they would.
You can bet that whatever happens in libya or Egypt next, the US will be meddling. They have not learned any lessons, they are just looking for a different 'approach'.
Am I the only one fearing the history will repeat itself?
- weapon of mass distraction
26 February 2011 at 00:16What I meant to add is, are the recent events and the horrific scenes we are all witnessing going to amount to some massive tectonic shift in the US and West foreign policy, since it was us who are ultimately guilty of this? No, of course it won't.
Until these countries have oil, and until Israel is allowed to pursue its Zionist interests with impunity, everything will remain the same; although the details may change and thousand of people might die in the process, the US will still be dictating the rules.
Call me cynical.
- Mrs.Josephine Hyde-Hartley
26 February 2011 at 00:36Am I alone in wondering what john pilger reckons is this word we dare not speak? And what is the name of the enemy?
- bored @ my pentagon desk
26 February 2011 at 00:58so how come the NS is barely covering libya
the colonel was a good socialist? c'mon, this guy strung up more than nuremberg
the newsnight report with his son literally smirking in a LSE lecture about his families theoretical democracy doesn't look very good now does it...
- Daniele
26 February 2011 at 01:07Weapon of mass distraction:
I am afraid, very afraid that you might be right! nothing will change.
They will accommodate themselves with the new ME governments and then proceed to corrupt them. Maybe, just maybe the Americans have stopped believing that they need to have dictatorships in place to do their bidding. That is all we can hope for.
After all, Britain does exactly what it is told and it is a democracy of sorts...
- Hans Castorp
26 February 2011 at 02:10Eburnant - couldn't agree more
Divine - I understand the going rate is c.£500 and he lives in a nice leafy bit of south London. To be more specific would be intrusive
- Mr. Divine
26 February 2011 at 02:28500 quid for each article or for two. Each one 500! That's piss easy money.
And how much do you reckon his house is worth ... 666,666 quid?
Yea a bravery award is surely assured.
- Mr. Divine
26 February 2011 at 02:33Who is behind Israel and the USA if these countries are behind the dictatorships of the Arab States as John Pilger claims?
What dark force lies behind these?
It's gotta be me.
It is me.
It is I
The First Seal in the Book of Revelations.
Already quite a few people have come to this conclusion!
In particular me.
- Tom Jeffries
26 February 2011 at 11:48Hello
Gaddafi and The Big Society
http://gingerfightback.com/ginger-whingers/gadaffi-offered-b...
- moronamid
26 February 2011 at 12:10McGovern was in the audience. Outraged, he rose from his chair and silently turned his back on Clinton. He was immediately seized by police and a security goon, beaten to the floor, dragged out and thrown into jail, bleeding. He has sent me photographs of his injuries. He is 71. During the assault, which was clearly visible to Clinton, she did not pause in making her remarks.
First They came... - Pastor Martin Niemoller
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
The world was created to separate out the living from the dead... its clear that most of us have already made our minds up regardless of the facts or the truth. !
Good article John.
- suburbanmonk
26 February 2011 at 13:43dear Lox 22.22 24 thFeb. even though you are a bit fluffy I did laugh at your comment about me especially as Im a counsellor working in mental health though i have no white coat lol. My comment is related to this poem by Martin Niemoller:
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
- DoomLord
26 February 2011 at 18:01Clinton is one cold-hearted bitch with a fourteen-inch strap-on, but Ray McGovern still loves her!
- Al Lee
26 February 2011 at 20:06The tyranny is found in the usurpation of the trillions of dollars by the sheiks, potentates, poobahs, and petty princes that rule the ME, money sent their way, that never reached the masses. If the oil was not there, North Africa and the ME would be eating sand!
- bariloche
26 February 2011 at 23:30If America is the real source of evil here, why have none of the Middle East protests had any anti-Americanisn slant to them? America's FP in the region has been wrong, but I think you are conflating 2 separate issues here. I can't really see any links between Western Europe's anti-capitalist protests like UKUncut and Arab protests for human rights and democracy.
Obama a fascist? Sounds like a Tea-Party slur? Either way, a bit ridiculous..
- Milton
27 February 2011 at 01:07Another obtuse piece by the godfather of loony Islamism. If pilger is so concerned about Arab/Moslem human rights it's a shame he is silent about the fascist tyranny in Syria. It's a shame he refused to condemn the islamofascist regime in Tehran which gunned down it's own innocent protesting citizens following the theft of the last election by pilger's chum - Ahmadenejad. It's a shame that he refuses to condemn the Islamist practice of stoning their own women to death and butchering Gays. So long as islamists are opposed to America and Israel, they will have the support of pilger no matter how vile they are.
- Mr. Divine
27 February 2011 at 02:07@suburbanmonk: Oh so you're a councellor working in mental health? I've met your kind on a number of occasions. And let me tell you this, "I am the First Seal in the Book off Revelations"
Actually that poem is missing a couple of lines at the bottom. These are the last two lines
And when they came for the word of God.
I was here.
Oh no, I've missed my Seroquel.
- DAULAT RAM
27 February 2011 at 04:35When they came for Muslim women who dared to love freedom, Pilger said nothing. He was not a Muslim woman.
When they came for journalists in the Muslim world who dared to criticise Islam, Pilger said nothing. He was not a journalist in the Muslim world.
When they came for the Hindus, Pilger said nothing. He was not a Hindu.
When they came for the Bahaii Pilget said nothing. He was not a Bahaii.
When they came for the gays Pilger said nothing. He was not a gay.
When they came for the Jews Pilger applauded. He was not a Jew.
When they came for the Christians Pilger said nothing. He didn't care.
When they came for trades unionists Pilger said nothing. He didn't care for union causes in Muslim countries.
Finally, they came even for him. He yelped. But it was too late.
- Mr. Divine
27 February 2011 at 06:16When they came for Julian Assange
He cried foul
But he couldn't do anything
- qwerty
27 February 2011 at 07:41HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH
Libya: June 1996 Killings at Abu Salim Prison
In the summer of 1996, stories began to filter out of Libya about a mass killing in Tripoli�s Abu Salim prison. The details remained scarce, and the government initially denied that an incident had taken place. Libyan groups outside the country said up to 1,200 prisoners had died.
In 2001 and 2002, Libyan authorities began to inform some families with a relative in Abu Salim that their family-member had died, although they did not provide the body or details on the cause of death. In April 2004 Libyan leader Mu`ammar al-Qadhafi publicly acknowledged that killings had taken place in Abu Salim, and said that prisoners� families have the right to know what took place.
In May 2005 Human Rights Watch visited Abu Salim prison, run by the Internal Security Agency. Head of the agency Col. Tohamy Khaled said the government had opened an investigation into the 1996 incident, but did not provide information on the manner or timing of the investigation. Human Rights Watch subsequently asked the Libyan government for details on the investigation, but the government failed to reply.
Prisoners in Abu Salim prison interviewed by Human Rights Watch in May were unwilling to speak about the incident, apparently out of fear. The interviews focused on their individual cases, and all of them said that conditions in the prison had recently improved.
In June 2004 and again in June 2006, however, Human Rights Watch interviewed a former Abu Salim prisoner who claims to have witnessed the killings. Now living in the United States, where he has applied for asylum, Hussein al-Shafa�i said he spent 1988-2000 in Abu Salim on political charges, but was never brought to trial, and he worked in the prison kitchen in June 1996. Human Rights Watch could not verify his claims, but many details are consistent with a report from an �migr� Libyan group, based on another witness account.
According to al-Shafa�i, the incident began around 4:40 p.m. on June 28, when prisoners in Block 4 seized a guard named Omar who was bringing their food. Hundreds of prisoners from blocks 3, 5 and 6 escaped their cells. They were angry over restricted family visits and poor living conditions, which had deteriorated after some prisoners escaped the previous year. Al-Shafa�i told Human Rights Watch:
Five or seven minutes after it started, the guards on the roofs shot at the prisoners�shot at the prisoners who were in the open areas. There were 16 or 17 injured by bullets. The first to die was Mahmoud al-Mesiri. The prisoners took two guards hostage.
Half an hour later, al-Shafa�i said, two top security officials, Abdullah Sanussi, who is married to the sister of al-Qadhafi�s wife, and Nasr al-Mabrouk arrived in a dark green Audi with a contingent of security personnel. Sanussi ordered the shooting to stop and told the prisoners to appoint four representatives for negotiations. The prisoners chose Muhammad al-Juweili, Muhammad Ghlayou, Miftah al-Dawadi, and Muhammad Bosadra.
According to al-Shafa�i, who said he observed and overheard the negotiations from the kitchen, the prisoners asked Sanussi for clean clothes, outside recreation, better medical care, family visits, and the right to have their cases heard before a court, because many of the prisoners were in prison without trial. Sanussi said he would address the physical conditions, but the prisoners had to return to their cells and release the two hostages. The prisoners agreed and released one guard named Atiya, but the guard Omar had died.
Security personnel took the bodies of those killed and sent the wounded for medical care. About 120 other sick prisoners boarded three buses, ostensibly to go to the hospital. According to al-Shafa�i, he saw the buses take the prisoners to the back of the prison.
Around 5:00 a.m. on June 29, security forces moved some of the prisoners between the civilian and military sections of the prison. By 9:00 a.m. they had forced hundreds of prisoners from blocks 1, 3, 4, 5 and 6 into different courtyards. They moved the low security prisoners in block 2 to the military section and kept the prisoners in blocks 7 and 8, with individual cells, inside. Al-Shafa�i, who was behind the administration building with other kitchen workers at the time, told Human Rights Watch what happened next:
At 11:00 a grenade was thrown into one of the courtyards. I did not see who threw it but I am sure it was a grenade. I heard an explosion and right after a constant shooting started from heavy weapons and kalashnikovs from the top of the roofs. The shooting continued from 11:00 until 1:35.
He continued:
I could not see the dead prisoners who were shot, but I could see those who were shooting. They were a special unit and wearing khaki military hats. Six were using kalashnikovs�
I saw them�at least six men�on the roofs of the cellblocks. They were wearing beige khaki uniforms with green bandanas, a turban-like thing.
Around 2:00 p.m. the forces used pistols to �finish off those who were not dead,� he said.
Abu Salim prison held between 1,600 and 1,700 prisoners at the time, and the security forces killed �around 1,200 people,� al-Shafa�i said. He calculated this figure by counting the number of meals he prepared prior to and after the incident.
Cleanup began around 11:00 a.m. the next day, June 30, when security forces removed the bodies with wheelbarrows. They threw the bodies into trenches�2 to 3 meters deep, one meter wide and about 100 meters long�that had been dug for a new wall. �I was asked by the prison guards to wash the watches that were taken from the bodies of the dead prisoners and were covered in blood,� al-Shafai�i said. In 1999 security officials poured cement over the trench, he claimed, although he believed that they later had the bodies removed.
The only other description of the incident comes from a report by the National Front for the Salvation of Libya, an opposition political group based outside Libya. Drawing on the account of an anonymous former prisoner who witnessed the incident (not al-Shafa�i), the report largely corroborates al-Shafa�i�s account.
The National Front report says that 120 sick and wounded prisoners boarded buses on June 28 to receive medical care but that many of them were executed, although it provides no details. The next day around 11:00, the report says, �hand grenades were thrown into the crowds of prisoners followed by continuous firing from different weapons like AK-47s, general purpose machine guns, crowd control machine guns. The raining of bullets continued for an entire hour.�
The report does not mention trenches but says that refrigerator trucks from the Meat Transportation Company and the Marine Fisheries Company took bodies away. On June 30, a forklift loaded the last bodies into a container for trains. In total, 1,170 prisoners died, the report says, but it provides no names.
The Libyan government has denied that any crimes took place. In May 2005, Internal Security Agency head Khaled told Human Rights Watch that prisoners had captured some guards during a meal and taken weapons from the prison cache. Prisoners and guards died as security personnel tried to restore order, he said, and the government had opened an investigation on order of the Secretary of Justice.
�When the committee concludes its work, because it has already started, we�ll give a detailed report answering all questions,� Khaled said.
According to Khaled, more than 400 prisoners escaped Abu Salim in four separate break-outs prior to and after the incident: in July 1995, December 1995, June 1996 and July 2001. Among the escapees were men who then fought with Islamist militant groups in Afghanistan, Iran, and Iraq, he said.
A Libyan group based in Switzerland, Libyan Human Rights Solidarity, says that since 2001 the authorities have notified 112 families that a relative held in Abu Salim is dead, without providing the body or details on the cause of death. In addition, 238 families claim they have lost contact with a relative who was a prisoner in Abu Salim.
The organization expressed concern about one of the four prisoner negotiators from June 28, Muhammad Bosadra. According to the group, the authorities transferred Bosadra from Abu Salim to an unknown facility in summer 2005, and no one has heard from him since.
Human Rights Watch spoke with the brother of one former Abu Salim prisoner whom the authorities had informed of his brother�s death. According to Farag al-Awani, now living in Switzerland, security agents arrested his brother Ibrahim al-Awani, 25 at the time, from the family home in al-Bayda in July 1995. The family never heard from Ibrahim again.
In 2002, members of Libya�s Internal Security Agency told the family that Ibrahim had died in a Tripoli hospital due to sickness. A death certificate they provided, viewed by Human Rights Watch, said Ibrahim had died on July 3, 2001, but it gave no cause of death. Despite repeated requests, the authorities never returned the body, as required under Libyan law. It is unclear if Ibrahim al-Awani died in the June 1996 incident or at another time.
�We just want to know what happened and to have the body back,� Farag al-Awani said.
For the Abu Salim report by the National Front for the Salvation of Libya see:
http://www.nfsl-libya.com/Studies/5065-e.htm (English)
http://www.nfsl-libya.com/Studies/5065.htm (Arabic)
For information on Abu Salim by the Libyan Human Rights Solidarity see:
For Human Rights Watch material on Libya see:
- thomas vesely
27 February 2011 at 09:59@hyde hartley
you use capitals for yourself,courtesy demands the same of your post.
i refrained purposefully.
- Lox
27 February 2011 at 12:29Hi Suburbanmonk, glad you weren't offended-you're a good sport. Can't remember ever being described as fluffy before, though....
My problem with the article is the same as I have with almost everything Pilger writes-he has an obsessive agenda to interpret every event he writes about through a prism of hatred of the west. Economic tyranny, my arse.
And as other correspondents have pointed out, he lives a comfortable upper middle class existence with all the benefits of the society he affects to despise. This article is a posturing rehash of his output for the last few years.
- thomas vesely
27 February 2011 at 14:02@lox
it is possible to live in this society AND be aware of its shortcomings and deceits.
why the vitriol ? don't like/don't read.
your arse,no thanks.
sounds like the apparatchiks live there.
- Lox
27 February 2011 at 18:28Hi Thomas,
Don't like/don't read?
You clearly don't like to be challenged. Kind of ironic for someone so evidently challenged.
- thomas vesely
27 February 2011 at 20:44@lox
puerile retort.
- Lox
27 February 2011 at 23:17@ thomas,
Well, you started it.
No seriously-I don't get your attitude that if you don't like something, don't read it. What exactly does that mean? Political comment isn't a comfort blanket-unless confirmation that you're on message with a political and literary giant like Pilger renforces your ego somehow.
- thomas vesely
28 February 2011 at 01:56perhaps we will see the oppressed masses of the USA do the same.
- Mr Woogy
28 February 2011 at 03:20The secret is M&S pork pies or porkies John!
- Mr Woogy
28 February 2011 at 07:08@DAULAT RAM
27 February 2011 at 04:35
Daulat I really hate it when post colonial moderns use our own political philosophies as homilies, still we British must stick together like in it anit half hot mum.
- an awful situation
28 February 2011 at 08:53look, left leaning people in the west need to unite and ensure the cia and oil companies don't make this any worse than it is
clearly he and his closest people have gone into bunker mentality now because they know atrocities are going to be uncovered and they saw what happened to saddam
i hope the people of libya can have some freedom at last: freedom from terror, and freedom to become the creators of their own wealth
- suburbanmonk
28 February 2011 at 12:26Lox 12.29 I guess im on the other end where john pilger is concerned as his views reflect my own. fluffy was meant as a light tease and no more, No offense meant, and i guess I hoped to connect with other views expecially differing ones as its important to have a cross view, I feel constructive critizism is most important as it encourages me to look from a differing perspective. I agree John can be strong in his 'anti-western' views though I read it aimed at the powers that be. This said I think its important to acknowledge that this is not restricted to western leadership but all across the globe. Power and money corrupts. I've worked, in the past, alongside both politcal and business figures (some famous or infamous) and unfortunatly for large proportion they have ended up down this negative path, I include union leaders and supposed militants in this to to be fair. I'm an idealist Lox and believe that at heart all people are good its our environment that shapes us and what an environment the world is at the moment.
- suburbanmonk
28 February 2011 at 12:36Mr Diven 2.07 - Thankyou for correcting the error of the poem. Also you have not met my sort before as I'm a unique humam being as are all of use. As a person-centred counsellor I have no involvemnt in the use or pescription anti-depressants (Seroquel.). Finally please expand on your comment:
"I am the First Seal in the Book off Revelations"
In what context are you using this. I look forward to your response. thanks
- Lox
28 February 2011 at 18:00No offence taken, suburbanmonk.
But I can't take JP's guff about economic tyranny. Capitalism works. It makes people wealthy: that's why China is no longer on the same level as sub-Saharan Africa in terms of per capita GDP-as it was as recently as the 80s. It's why per capita incomes are rising in Africa-because of deregulation.
Hopefully, for the people in Libya, this will be a Berlin Wall moment, when they can get rid of a brutal, corrupt, nepotistic socialist regime and join the rest of the world.
- Bertoldino de Lima, in Ottawa
28 February 2011 at 19:02I've read enough Pilger to know this isn't his best writing, as some comments say -- even though the candour is all there: youthful, unafraid, undiminished.
'Pity that so few journalist/observers dare speak so straightforwardly about the elephant in our collective room -- namely, that we in the west have become the ones in the black hats, despite the world-weary cynicism we invoke to mask it (viz. "...inequities and oppression [are] the best that can be achieved.").
- Lox
28 February 2011 at 22:56Youthful, unafraid, undiminished, Bertoldino? How about jaded, hackneyed, and predictable?
We in the west have become the ones in the black hats....in what way? Because we're functioning democracies that do things like enshrine equality before the law, prosecute politicians who steal, and expect that every aspect of our society should be open to criticism ?
Perhaps you could tell us where true civilization is in the world, then.
- alkhatib
28 February 2011 at 23:13DAULAT RAM - Pilger has spent his working life speaking for those who no one would speak out for, from vietnam to east timor, to latin america and the middle east - your example of him is so far from the truth it proves nothing but a lack of knowledge and information on your part in terms of pilger's previous works, both written and film.
- Tom
01 March 2011 at 03:10McGovern and Pilger are right. It is economic tyranny in every sense of the phrase.
Now, when it looks like "The Great Turning Point" is finally here, we'll see millions march and not back down. At first, it's the old "we-are-superior-Americans" thing. Only third world republics riot in the streets. We don't do that kind of thing, thank you very much.
Now, what's happening? Thousands march nationally because they see this as it really is. Class warfare. Also keep in mind that human beings can only take so much. So will there be a revolution in the States to force Obama to quit? Personally, I'm not too thrilled about Biden taking over in that scenario.
Then again, everyone has their limits.
- BiLogical
01 March 2011 at 08:39I wonder how many Israelis, pretending to be all sorts as they do all over the web, are posting here?
- Milton
01 March 2011 at 13:12I wonder how many Islamists and Islamofascists are infesting this websites using Anglo-Saxon names?
- Bertoldino de Lima, in Ottawa
01 March 2011 at 15:58In reply to Lox: Sure, Pilger’s jaded. Jaded by his long experience, which has shown that we in the west have a nasty way of propping up and perpetuating tyrannies: that’s what I mean about our wearing the black hats.
It’s true that your functioning western democracy and mine uphold the rule of law and prosecute the Nixons among us, within our borders.
But the corporatist machinery to which he belonged we don’t do much about. The Kissingers, I mean. More so, the system that brings down the democratically elected (Allende) to prop up tyrants across the world. They’re far too numerous to list, but you can start as far back as Theodore Roosevelt in Cuba and the Philippines , bring it over to Batista, Somoza and the Marcoses in my time, and end up on the news tonight: Mubarak, Tunisia’s Ben Ali, and the others across the Arab world. All had strong backing from the US, without any doubt; conversely, none would last a weekend without that backing.
Their people also want jobs, economic opportunities and social justice, yet we have been part of the machinery that’s denied them these. All based on the cynical premise (to go back to what I cited from Pilger in my original post) that "...inequities and oppression [are] the best that can be achieved."
They aren’t.
- Lox
01 March 2011 at 17:33Bertoldino, I agree with you-partially. The west has been complicit in the denial of social justice in lots of places in the world. That's shameful. But, the liberal economic model has done more to lift peoople out of poverty than the best efforts of any state. That is a fact. You could look at absolute poverty levels now and compare them with those a couple of decades ago.
Inequities and opression aren't the best that can be achieved. What could be achieved, in a truly open global market, is genuine equality of economic opportunity. We're getting there: millions of people in Cambodia or China or India have been freed from the grimness of subsistence farming, and they and their children will have opportunities that their parents and grandparents never had.
This has drifted slightly off topic-but my point is that Pilger uses every angle to blast at an economic model that works, and that will work better when states stop trying to assist political and economic cartels in pursuit of a chimera like absolute economic stability and predictability.
- Lox
01 March 2011 at 17:35Right, Bilogical. Bloody Israelis, eh? They just crop up everywhere, pretending to be gentiles.
You numbskull.
- skiptonman
01 March 2011 at 18:26Great article Jon, beyond belief that Mrs Clinton can speak about defending democracy whilst a 71 yr old is violently removed for making a PEACEFULL protest in front of her ... !! maybe she was dodging invisible bullets again ?
- Julian
01 March 2011 at 19:43Absolutely priceless that in the very moment that the world is changing around you, you chose to put at the top of your carousel gimmick, a piece dated a week ago, and at that, by the most geriatric of all your paid pensioners.
You're all a little bit flustered by it all, no?
- Hans Castorp
01 March 2011 at 20:18The fact that here so many of you are, dribbling away on your keyboards about what a rancid "tyranny" Britain is (hints Pilger: facist!), completely unaware that the mere fact of your doing so in response to Pilger's screed without fear of persecution *fatally undermines that contention*.
Pause for thought? Anyone? Anyone?
- Charlie Coyle
01 March 2011 at 21:11Ha! More crap by the king of revisionism!
- haman harasha
01 March 2011 at 21:21hans - still reconvalescenting on magic mountain?
apparently you have been given too many drugs.
- dillon
01 March 2011 at 23:13this religious nationalism and patriotiism spreading across the arab and muslim world is sickening,,these uprisings are not about low wages and the poor revolting but is just blatant jingoism that leads to racism and fascism we could well do without....
- Mr Woogy
02 March 2011 at 04:56@Milton
01 March 2011 at 13:
Well give him his due the Editor of NS. is open and up front about his role.
- Mr. Divine
02 March 2011 at 08:04@surbanmonk: First off you don't know what Seroquel is for (no its not an anti-depressant) and yet you claim you are a mental health worker! R U sure you are as you say you are? I doubt it.
- David Vinter
02 March 2011 at 10:51Yes Mr Pilger there is a hidden word, But it is
OVERPOPULATION LEADING TO STARVATION!. Most of North Africa relies on Wheat and Maize grown on the prairies of the
USA.
- Monty
02 March 2011 at 11:58The word Jordan appears once in the subheading but never again in the article nor the 103 comments.
The people of Jordan are not rising up against their leaders.
SUBS! What is Jordan doing in the sub-heading when it is never mentioned once???
- Bruce
02 March 2011 at 12:12I've made the point several times on the NS threads. It really is time your editors moderated out the drivel from the right wing, Ziocon moonbats, Castorp et al. They only make your publication look silly (through no fault of yours).
- Milton
02 March 2011 at 14:23Might be an idea if the NS editors also binned the islamist garbage that pollutes these comments. Ooops forgot Mehdi is one of them
- Hans Castorp
02 March 2011 at 15:30@Bruce
What a brilliant, self-lacerating bit of hypocrisy!
I take it your particular call for censorship is not at all alligned with tyrannical, anti-democratic instincts, but if I said the same about you, it would be. No better example of the self-evident stupidity of the Pilgerites.
You. Bloody. Fool.
- Lox
02 March 2011 at 18:15Well said, Bruce. Perhaps all of the comments allowed should fit the template "I agree with everything it says here because.....".
I guess Hans has you nailed.
- Jon Anthony
02 March 2011 at 18:34Pilger gets more bonkers with age. And his acolytes commenting here are parodies of themselves, and breathtaking in their hypocrisy.
But it's good to see Spartism is alive and well and hilarious as ever
- ric hard
02 March 2011 at 19:20@ Lox - pilger blasts 'an economic model that works'...?? I really can't see it working in any way. Capitalism is not synonymous with democracy, freedom or fairness. It is the most destructive of ideas. It prevails only as a result of its symbiotic greed driven aggressiveness. It has made ethical and spiritual exploration obsolete. Philosophy has no place in education. And peace has no place on earth. Capitalism. Yeah. ;)
- Raghu Nath
02 March 2011 at 20:56@Daulat Ram: When a donkey think of himself as a horse all he do is scream in a ugly voice but it doesn't turn him into a horse. @Hans Castorp: You are really a deluded lunatic zionist fascist.
- barbie
02 March 2011 at 21:28Where is our democracy, we have been denied a vote on the EU, and again with the proposed new voting system on offer. Why are only aloud AV or FPTP. why not PR as well? Why should Cameron and Clegg decide what system we can have? I've yet to see and hear any journalist speak on our behalf, question the democratic process we are missing out on. Please, look and listen it's happening while we read, we are not living in a democracy anymore.
- ric hard
02 March 2011 at 21:58@ all of you people criticising mr pilger for expressing his political disposition or for his lack of originality or blah blah blah. He is a credit to his profession. Simply. I just read all of the posts on this article and i think some of you need a slap to shake you from your ignorance. Just because a man doesn't like napalm or war it doesn't mean he's anti-democratic. Nor does the opinion that his views are nothing original or his piece/style typical of him (as someone put it) take anything away from the facts and truth of what he said in his piece. He has to work within the rules of 'the system' if he wishes to raise awareness. A system some of you rightside-climax-needing
phonies either know nothing about or you secretly endorse.
@ hans. I'm dribbling away with my phone in my hand wondering if you genuinely believe what you are saying. We live with the illusion that we have a choice in where we are going. That we live in a democracy. Not so. If you believe otherwise you are a fool. But tbh, i think you already know the truth of it. Just a hunch lol
- Stu
02 March 2011 at 22:16@Hans The old argument of "think yourself lucky you have the freedom to say what you like about your masters" is as flawed as "if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to hide" argument for CCTV and "Capitalism is human nature, survival of the fittest".. *yawn* Hans, please bring a debate from the C21st to the table or get back under the bridge.
- Gideon Polya
02 March 2011 at 22:59Excellent article by John Pilger that gets to the heart of the problem - Western economic hegemony and its appalling human consequences.
I have analyzed these human consequences in a book entitled "Body Count. Global avoidable mortality since 1950". Avoidable mortality is the difference between actual deaths in a country and deaths expected for a peaceful, decently-run country with the same demographics (see: http://globalavoidablemortality.blogspot.com/ ).
As determined from UN Population Division data, in the period 1950-2005 avoidable deaths from deprivation and deprivation-exacerbated disease totalled 1.3 billion (the World), 1.2 billion (the non-European World), 0.6 billion (the Muslim World), 70 million (the Arab World), and 20 million (Egypt).
The above shocking estimates are consonant with independent estimates of 1950-2005 under-5 infant deaths (90% avoidable and due to Western hegemony-imposed deprivation) totalling 0.88 billion (the World), 0.85 billion (the non-European World), 0.4 billion (the Muslim World), 47 million (the Arab World) and 14 million (Egypt) .
Yet these horrendous, authoritatively documented realities are overwhelmingly ignored by the politicians. media and academics of the Western Murdochracies in an ongoing process of holocaust ignoring , holocaust denial, genocide ignoring and genocide denial (for the Awful Truth see "Muslim Holocaust, Muslim Genocide": https://sites.google.com/site/muslimholocaustmuslimgenocide/ ).
- Lox
02 March 2011 at 23:20But it does work, Ric Hard. Otherwise you wouldn't have a computer to read NS on, and NS wouldn't be published in the first place. It prevails as a result of human nature-the drive to work to get what you want. And you can only get what you want by theft or by selling something other people want.
Of course philosophy has a place in education: but if you want to paint a completely reductive picture of the human condition-where we'll all defined purely as economic units-be my guest.
- Lox
02 March 2011 at 23:47@Raghu, don't know why you think Hans is a zionist. But you seem to think that the word "fascist" merely means someone who you perceive to be further right than you. That kind of cheapens any kind of political discsourse, doesn't it? But keep ranting: you won't persuade anyone to change their mind, but I'm sure it gives you a warm glow of ideologically pure righteousness.
- ric hard
03 March 2011 at 01:28@ lox - how can you say it works when 1% of the population possess half the worlds riches?? People are starving. Children are dying. And you think that computers and the advancement of science counter balances the horrific truth? War is big business. The biggest! And a good way of transferring capital, and therefore power, from the many into the hands of the few. And btw technology is actually suppressed for capitalist gains. Your world is very different to mine. And as it happens I don't have a computer atm and this is the first time i've visited the site... The NS, while demonstrating some assertiveness in its reporting, still operates within the confines a system which ultimately wants to suppress the freedom of speech. The truth is out there ;) just not in more mainstream articles like this. Follow the cash and you'll find that all the major wars since ww1 have been manipulated by the same people, and never for such noble reasons as freedoms for the people. The populace never wants a war. Capitalism sells the idea through media propaganda. Wake up. I must also point out that free market inevitably leads to its own self destruction and corporate led fascism. Mergers - monopolies - small companies cannot compete - fewer products - cost cutting - worse products.... We,re gettin to that stage with many industries already. Mankind needs compassion and awareness, both of which oppose consumer culture. We're bred to be shoppers, not thinkers.
'There are two types of people - those that know the truth, and those that haven't yet searched for it'
Check out the book 'wall street and the rise of the third reich'
- ric hard
03 March 2011 at 01:31@ lox - how can you say it works when 1% of the population possess half the worlds riches?? People are starving. Children are dying. And you think that computers and the advancement of science counter balances the horrific truth? War is big business. The biggest! And a good way of transferring capital, and therefore power, from the many into the hands of the few. And btw technology is actually suppressed for capitalist gains. Your world is very different to mine. And as it happens I don't have a computer atm and this is the first time i've visited the site... The NS, while demonstrating some assertiveness in its reporting, still operates within the confines a system which ultimately wants to suppress the freedom of speech. The truth is out there ;) just not in more mainstream articles like this. Follow the cash and you'll find that all the major wars since ww1 have been manipulated by the same people, and never for such noble reasons as freedoms for the people. The populace never wants a war. Capitalism sells the idea through media propaganda. Wake up. I must also point out that free market inevitably leads to its own self destruction and corporate led fascism. Mergers - monopolies - small companies cannot compete - fewer products - cost cutting - worse products.... We,re gettin to that stage with many industries already. Mankind needs compassion and awareness, both of which oppose consumer culture. We're bred to be shoppers, not thinkers.
'There are two types of people - those that know the truth, and those that haven't yet searched for it'
Check out a book called 'wall street and the rise of the third reich' its a good start.
- Raghu Nath
03 March 2011 at 03:11@Lox: Your obnoxious idiocy is telling but when you write a post on behalf of Hans "the retarded" Castorp I am lost for word. On every article in relation to the Middle East, he bring up the subject of Israel and how everyone is a antisemite and castigate anyone as enemy who write anything opposite of his fascistic view. If you can describe the Muslim as Fanatics or Islamofascist because you don't like their views, then what is wrong with calling a person who is hellbent on putting Israel at the top of everything and see antisemitism everywhere as well as espouse hatred as a fascist? I am not ranting and have not claimed to have moral righteousness above anyone else like you lot.
- dillon
03 March 2011 at 04:15when the muslim world stops all this nonmuslimaphobia,,islamonazism ,, and flag waving nationalism and shouts of allah hu akbar then we might get somewhere..no use being in denial raghu nath..the muslim brotherhoods links to hitlers nazis in world war 2 is a historical fact not to be denied
- Mike H
03 March 2011 at 09:40Mr Pilger,
Please can you provide some more details on the following:
"That her government was planning to close down those parts of the internet"
"[He was] beaten to the floor, dragged out and thrown into jail, bleeding. He has sent me photographs of his injuries"
Why don't you publish the photos? What plans to shut down the internet.
I don't believe you. Perhaps you can prove me wrong.
- ric hard
03 March 2011 at 16:43@ mike h - why don't you believe america is planning to shut down parts of the internet?? Do you think they are too good and wholesome for that?? Its old news pal. Do your homework. They'll probably stage a false-flag cyber-terrorist attack first. But its coming. In one way or another. Soon.
Fact is stranger than fiction and sometimes hard to believe. There are powers that have been pulling the strings of goverment puppets for years. In the east and west. And we're all fu**ed to fascism unless people bite the bullet and open their eyes to the truth.
- Lox
03 March 2011 at 17:44Hi Richard, I don't agree with what you've said in your last post, but I appreciate your courtesy. I don't believe that the free market leads to corporate fascism: if that phrase means anything, it describes collusion between the state and big business that allows the creation and continuance of cartels and monopolies. In a true free market, a business will live for as long as it supplies something people want-whether it's a nintendo gameboy or a cure for cancer. The innovation associated with that is what drives the technological development that's lifted most people in our society out of a nasty, brutish and short life.
@Raghu, you tell me that you're lost for words, then contradict yourself with a paragraph of incoherent shite. Never having met you, I can't say for sure that you're a small minded turd: but that's certainly how you present yourself.
- ric hard
04 March 2011 at 00:11hello back Lox? how did you guess my name? ;) We have always been a capitalist society. Its the reason a lot of people had nasty brutish lives. But i do dig the idea of a truly free market lol. It is only that though - an idea. Tbh i don't actually know where i stand lol. I don't believe in any isms or ideologies, i believe in individuals. A single person is will think. Show his or her intelligence. People in groups are stupid. And easily manipulated. Beware the mob lol. I don't know whether you'll like it but there.s a really good web documentary you may be interested in. You can watch it on youtube 'zeitgeist' and 'zeitgeist addendum'. They're a bit shoddy. Covers some interesting stuff though.
- Lox
04 March 2011 at 00:25ric hard, I agree with you-people in groups do tend to let themselves be absorbed into a hive mentality...which I guess is the problem I have with consensus, on the right or on the left. Self-certainty and the approval of others always come at a price to the individual. We're all equipped to deal with chaos and unpredictability, and-while I hate to descent into psychobabble-that's something we should all embrace.
- ric hard
04 March 2011 at 00:35indeed. Peace. Goodnight. Zzz
- Raghu Nath
04 March 2011 at 05:52@Lox: I don't need ti write anything. Your language show what and who you actually are. @ Dillon: What's wrong with Muslim flying the flags of their natiions and invoking the Name and praise of their God when you and I can do so whatever we like. For you to like them doesn't mean they have to be like you. You either like them for whatever they are or you declare your hatred openly. No one have to be like anyone. This is the beauty of dversity of the Human Race.Period.
- ChicagoMonster
04 March 2011 at 08:18@Dillon: Nevermind the fact that Zionism was bred and born out of Nazi Germany's oppression of Jews (and the many other people oppressed: blacks, gays, cripples, etc.) but many Zionists even struck deals with Hitler to allow safe passage to Palestine. You want to talk about the Muslim Brotherhood, a miniscule party in Egypt that's never had more than 20% of the parliament? Educate yourself, you Zionist shill.
- fairuz mahed
04 March 2011 at 08:55well done jp well done julian assange well done nelson mandela there are so few of u brave heroes in this world...unfortunately the world is mostly filled with narcisisi\tic cowards,and yes the west is prepered to close there eyes to what there goverments are doing,but when it all come tumbling down around there ears they all say oh but they didnt know...then they blame the goverment but the oppression is there for all the world to see,what they are doing to the iraqi civilians and the palistinians there are not one person that can say they do not know what is happening in those countries,if we were in doubt a few years ago,jp and julian assange exposed the truth to all of us
- Mike Phelps
04 March 2011 at 14:48I thought old JP would get round to blaming the imperialistic West eventually, for what is happening in North Africa and the Middle East. In March 2000 a 90 minute documentary of his was shown on ITV called the poisoning of Iraq. It detailed the hardship suffered by the Iraqi people as a result of sanctions applied by the UN and backed mainly by the US and UK. There was no mention of the brutality suffered by the Iraqi people as a result of Saddam Hussein's despotic regime. Hardly surprising then that a TV review of the documentary in national newspaper was entitled 'Saddam's sins forgotten'.
- JerryB
04 March 2011 at 15:48Pinter: "unearths, with steely attention facts"
This is a typo, no?
As for the headline and conclusion: What is 'the word'? Fascism? Is that also 'the name'?
- JerryB
04 March 2011 at 15:51@Mike Phelps - you must've been in the loo during the part where the CIA installed Saddam to power in Iraq.
Big picture requires All relevant facts, not just FOX's recent headlines.
- Raghu Nath
04 March 2011 at 22:15@JerryB: You are spot on! These idiots spend all their time watching Fox News and think their idiotic posts are work of genius academics!
- Martin Rudland
05 March 2011 at 14:50Lox - you report that the capitalist model works ?
Tell that to all the Indian farmers committing suicide due to the efforts of the GM industry?
Tell that to the 1,000s of Indians who died & those years later suffering from Union Carbides accident there & its residues.
Tell that to the US citizens in the Gulf of Mexico suffering from an oil spill due to the joint 3rd rate efforts of Dutch/UK & US oil industries. We hear less of the similar suffering from the oil industry of the ethnic groups in S.America - eg in Ecuador the Texaco/Chevron Co trying to put the blame onto the Ecuadorian Oil Co. NB (you are of course well aware) that recently Texaco/Chevron have been found guilty in court - ah but they still claim it’s the Ecuador Oil Co. - of course.
It reminds one of the Tobacco industry who knew of the harm to health of tobacco but sort of managed to ignore it. Although their own offspring, we heard, were not persuaded to take up the fag habit !
NB the way the corporations fight tooth & nail not to pay up - good old capitalism.
Brings to mind the way big business jeopardises the survival of small companies by delaying payment of bills.
Were you in Paraguay when pesticide spraying from the air drenched a boy on a track between 2 farms, on the way home to his village. He was paralysed within the day & died within a fortnight. That actually got taken to court! Meaning that many incidents indicting the pesticide company &/or the farmer did not get to court. Oh yes the pesticide company & the 2 farmers were found guilty - phew sounded like a 1st . BUT uhm, has the fine been paid & the prison sentence served ? Well if that you did not know, then perhaps you know not of the Paraguayan tribes whose water courses are being bulldozed by the Big Ag operations in Paraguay .
And what of Shell’s operations in the Niger delta , or closer to home the Rossport 5 in Ireland who were imprisoned for acting/objecting to illegal operations by Shell.
How about the finance INDUSTRY - that bloke Bernie Made-off . Let’s not go on about the bankers & the triple star complex bonds - that were regulated by …. Well let’s not just yet – we can always discuss that side of capitalism later . Much regard needed re the operation of your wonderful capitalism. Best regards Martin
- Martin Rudland
06 March 2011 at 12:45Dear Lox - if you wish to look into the operation of capitalism a wee bit more then try finding out re Tescos operations.
Look at the Tescopoly website - interesting read.
People seem not to see the TV programs where the Tesco operations in & re their stores are shown up.
If I can direct your mind to any other soueces, then I'm only too happy to help. Yours concernedly Martin
- Tom
06 March 2011 at 18:18Get out of Libya. Also, get out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
- Amere-Brush-hand
06 March 2011 at 21:04Are Hans Castorp and Mr Divine crazy? Have they escaped from the asylum? What's wrong with them. They seem so consumed by hatred. just the mention of Pilger and they will go crazy. Anyway, another great article John.
- dillon
07 March 2011 at 00:11you get out of the uk tom,,and go to libya,,iraq or afghanistan,, and while your at it take all these western hating muslims with you...
- john verticchio
08 March 2011 at 03:14John Pilger as always tells it like it is,in sharp contrast to the weak-kneed,sycophants who call themselves American and British journalists.
- Nina
08 March 2011 at 05:38Turmoil in the Middle East since January, 2011, starting off with Tunisia.
(a) In Egypt, at the beginning of February, the 'Muslim Brotherhood' tries to hijack the "revolution," calling for war with Israel and its "spiritual" leader Qaradawi who advocates for 'Caliphate' and genocide of Jews - given a podium.
(b) Some US journalists are severely beaten, accused of being "Israeli spies." Some terrorism also reported there.
(c) At the celebration of the fall of Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak, a racist Arab Muslim mob of 200 attacked and sexually assaulted CBS' 60 Minutes reporter Lara Logan, while yelling "Jew!, Jew!"
(d) Protests spread to other oppressive dictatorship in the Arab-Muslim Middle East such as: Iran, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Bahrain, etc. Local governments responding with violence. Libya's dictator M. Gaddafi --accused of genocide-- even sends fighter jets to bomb its civilan protesters. [UN envoy accused him of genocide] High casualties [in the thousands] reported. [Highlights of the Arab racist, Islamic fascist: M. Qaddafi.] Iranian Islamic Republic [typically] cracks down with harsh brutality. It tries to exploit the turmoil to spread its radical influence. It's proxy the Islamic terror group Hezbollah, calls on its "holy warriors" to be ready to invade Israel.
(e) Islamists fascists slit throat of Catholic priest in Tunisia.
(f) More anti-Israel bigotry among Arab masses: [Despite anti-Israel history of tyrant Qaddafi,] anti-Qaddafi protesters in Libya mark him with a 'Star of David.'
(g) Rise in Arab racism against Africans and anti anyone 'dark' in Libya
- Mike Phelps
08 March 2011 at 08:49@JerryB and Raghu Nath, it's useful idiots (as Lenin would say) like you two, who laud the likes of John Pilger despite his blatant left wing, anti American agenda. I've never heard him castigate China about Tibet or Russia about Chechnya. It's all about how bad America, blinkered doesn't even begin to describe him, and for your information I don't watch FOX news!!
- Raghu Nath
08 March 2011 at 16:19@Mike Phelps: It is John Pilger who single handedly brought the world's attention to the grave situation of East Timor while your beloved America was pampering Suharto as their man in Jakarta!!! If America is doing wrong then pointing out that does not make anti-American. And what business America have in the Middle East which is so far away from it's shore?
Your diatribe only reinforce the fact that your are a ardent follower of Glen Beck and Bill O'Reilly, the nonsensical idiots best embody the America the whole bloody world dislike!
- Mike Phelps
09 March 2011 at 11:03@Raghu Nath: For a start I don't have a clue who Glen Beck and Bill O'Rielly are. Secondly, with John Pilger its always 'ALWAYS' about how bad America is. I wouldn't mind so much if he also had a few bad words for China over Tibet or Russia over Chechnya but it seems that if America isn't involved then he doesn't want to know, leaving many to conclude that he's driven by a particular anti American agenda based on nothing more than a left wing orthodoxy.
Would a bit of political impartiality be so beyond him??
- jako david waluluka
09 March 2011 at 17:10i strongly think that most of us who are not in lybia have a wrong picture of what is going on.gaddafi is not about to leave yet.its only when the so called no fly zone is imposed when you will realize that his ground artillery is superb.just look what has happened in Egypt now they have a vacuum for they where not ready for it.why is the world supporting rebels really.
- Raghu Nath
09 March 2011 at 18:41@Mike Phelps: Pilger did write about Tibet many many article. But Tibet or Chechnya pale in comparison what America is doing throughout the world. Illegal rendition, snatching people from street, waging illegal invasion of sovereign states, bombing and killing innocent people are all done by America. Therefore, Pilger's writing concern more about America rather than any other state. He is not a sycophant hack. But a virtous human being. That is why even the hacks brand him as a lunatic. Those who dare to speak against America rather than toe its line are always stigmatised.
- Mike Phelps
10 March 2011 at 08:51@Raghu Nath: You think me and mine are subject to pro American propaganda. Speaking as someone who would never describe himself as 'pro American' and opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq, I'm also wary of deliberate anti American propaganda in certain sections of the media, something that you seem to be subject to.
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